Ball in outside of the net March 27, 2018 Rule 4 0 Forum Questions A1 shoots and goalie makes save but the ball is deflected onto the outside of the net. No one knows where the ball is except A2 who is behind the net. The ball is sitting there for several seconds until A2 reaches in from the rear , jostles the net and retrieves the ball. B coach claims the official should have whistled it dead right away and , of course. give it to the Defense. Question : just how long do you wait until you blow it dead ? Question File Add new DuBan's Answer: Visual Text Kratz's Answer: Visual Text McCarrick's Answer: Visual Text I disagree with Glock's second point and Riti's "new" interpretation. <em>4-9-2</em> <em>"l. After a player <strong>in the act of shooting</strong> or his teammate touches the goalkeeper in the crease or <span style="text-decoration: underline">touches any part of the goal or netting</span> prior to the ball entering the goal."</em> simply because it uses the words "in the act of shooting" and "prior to the ball entering the goal" We do not have a player shooting. However, I agree if it is "ensnared" then we have a whistle and the defense's ball. For me there's no specific timeframe, the offense is entitled to the ball just as much as any defensive person, it's a 50/50 ball. However, the goalie could/would have the advantage to the goal crease privilege and if the goalie plays the ball and the attacker makes contact we would have inference/ play on. Riti's Answer: Visual Text I originally agreed with Brian, however, after reading Keith's interpretation and his reference to 4-9-2 and "<span style="text-decoration: underline"><strong>touches any part of the goal or netting</strong></span> prior to the ball entering the goal", I feel that we can infer that A can never touch the netting which would not allow them to retrieve any ball sitting on the outside of the netting. Therefore, awarding the ball to B in this instance would be the only remedy as there is virtually no way for A to get the ball off of the back of the net without touching the net. And as Paul mentions, adding verbiage to the 2019 rule book to clarify what happens whenever A touches the netting would alleviate the need for an interpretation of this. Tyma's Answer: Visual Text I'm with Keith on this one. The rules being at odds results from being incomplete. If, by 4.9.2, a goal is disallowed when an offensive player makes contact with the goal (and the net is part of the goal, by 1.4), one would think that the disallowance is because the offense is not allowed to contact the goal under any circumstances. However, it is not specifically listed in the illegal-procedure statute (6.5.2), although the general case of "any violation of the rules relating to the goal-crease area" is listed in 6.5.2.k. So even though we're "making law" by interpreting 4.9.2 to be a general prohibition against offensive players making contact with the goal, I'd kill the play when A2 contacts the net and award the ball to the goalie. I'd also ask the rules writers to consider adding contact with the goal by an offensive player to the list of illegal procedures. Answer File Question Answered Yes No
